Dear friends,
This Sunday we are discussing Self-delusion.
This Sunday will also be the last meeting we'll have at the Centro Segoviano for the season since
they are closed in August. They'll be open again in September.
However, this does not mean that we won't meet. We discussed this in the past and we just have to
agree a place where to meet, maybe not necessarily for a formal meeting but to for drinks.
We'll discuss this Sunday,
Best and see you Sunday
Lawrence
See you at 6:30pm Sunday
from Lawrence, this Sunday PhiloMadrid meeting: Self-delusion + News
PhiloMadrid - Pub Philosophy Meetings in Madrid
21 July 2011
from Lawrence, this Sunday PhiloMadrid meeting: Experience + important News
Experience + Links on Experience by Diana and Important news from Ignacio and Carlos.
Dear friends,
The topic of this Sunday's meeting is. Experience, originally Can We Transfer Our Experiences.
Of course, the whole of western civilization, especially modern civilization, is based on sharing
and learning from each other's experience. Science itself is an edifice of experience and teaching
what we've learnt to the next generation.
But there is one minor problem with this whole programme. In order to learn from and make use of any
experience that is passed to us or that we pass on to others requires a common frame of mind. But
experience is basically a subjective event, we can describe what we feel but we cannot make each
other actually feel what we feel. In other words, the scope of transferring any experience is
probably very limited.
In the meantime, Diana has sent some links related to experience,
Hi Lawrence,
I hope you're enjoying your holiday. (yes thanks; today it was raining, windy and a bit cold – a
good excuse for double helping of cakes. !!)
I'm sending you some links related to Experience.
In The Oxford Companion to Philosophy there is a definition:
http://books.google.com/books?id=F9oAomj2IIwC&printsec=frontcover&dq=The+Oxford+companion+to+philosophy&hl=es&ei=4cknToK0HcSCOte3nMcK&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=experience&f=false.
You'll have to double click on Experience; it is on page 281. Once there you can enlarge the view
using the icon.
In the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy we have Rationalism vs. Empiricism
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/rationalism-empiricism/ and Phenomenology
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/phenomenology/ among many other topics related to experience.
I included
http://books.google.com/books?id=TA3R3oLdDJQC&printsec=frontcover&dq=experience+psychology&hl=en&ei=jlwkToOGHoPBswbilKn9AQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
(see first paragraph in chapter Learning from experience) just to remind us that experience is the
"stock in trade of psychology".
And finally this link of a book with a neurological perspective
http://books.google.com/books?id=sX4wQtLAJjYC&printsec=frontcover&dq=experience+cognition&hl=es&ei=O5kmTsywOtCv8QPCqfSdCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
which introduces us into the dichotomy mind versus body and inner-self versus external world (first
paragraph in page 2) and gives us a hint of how aspects our ecological and social environment enter
into the shape of our thoughts (first and second paragraphs in page 3). It's amazing!
Best regards,
Diana
Ignacio has told me that the Thursday tertulia will now be held in a different location.
Hi Lawrence,
Thank you for your e-mail, the chosen topic seems quite interesting, for sure we will have a
interesting Sunday meeting as usual.
Thank you also for giving notice in your email of the Thursday's Tertulia in English. Related to it,
just yesterday we were informed that Moores's Irish Pub, where we use to meet, is closing down next
Sunday (Economic crisis was the argued cause).
The good news is that we will continue with the Thursday's Tertulia in English from next Thursday at
Triskel Tavern (Irish Pub), c/ San Vicente Ferrer 3 (on the corner with Corredera Alta de san
Pablo), also metro Tribunal and very near to (ex)Moore's location, as always from 19:30 to 21h...
Best,
Ignacio
Finally, Carlos is still looking for speakers for next season's programme of the CLUB DEL HOMBRE
LIBRE. Details below.
CLUB DEL HOMBRE LIBRE
PROGRAMA 2011-2012
En este programa queremos proseguir con al camino de mejora y crecimiento. Seguimos con las
actividades tradicionales de Cultura, Comisiones de Trabajo y Conferencias. Le añadimos conciertos,
recitales, el programa de Filosofía y El Premio 2011-12 de Propulsor de la Libertad.
Ciclo Los Crepúsculos Culturales de Olavide:
Nueve conferencias mensuales, de Septiembre a Mayo, en las que también se ofrecen conciertos y
recitales de poesía. Cada una tiene su Inspirador, persona notable que en el pasado ha sido aclamado
y Reconocido por sus resultados en pos de la Libertad. Ejemplos propuestos:
Gandhi, Teresa de Calcuta, Froid, Einstein, Séneca, los Estoicos, el Movimiento Hippie, César,
Parménides, Platón, Pitágoras, Protágoras, Rousseau, Kant, Nietzsche, Cicerón, los Oráculos, etc.
El Ciclo abarca las 4 áreas ó niveles en que se desenvuelve el Hombre:
1. Espiritual (Providencia, Karma, Paz..)
2. Mental (Sabiduría, Entendimiento, Conocimiento…)
3. Sentimental (Amor, equilibrio…)
4. Material (Política, Económica, de Acción)
O sea, dos conferencias por cada ámbito.
Además, tenemos el Ciclo de Filosofía Pura:
Se realiza en la Facultad de Filosofía de la Universidad Complutense.
El Observatorio de La Libertad es un programa que estudia
los movimientos sociales que afectan a La Libertad, y sIrve
para pronunciarnos al respecto. Crepúsculos Culturales, Una Historia de Chamberí
-Dicha obra teatral musical, que refleja el acontecer del distrito en los últimos 700 años se
presentará.
Premio Propulsor de La Libertad 2011-2012. Se elegirá a la persona
Ó entidad que se haya destacado por la defensa de La libertad, Local, nacional ó internacionamente,
y se le entregará el Premio en el mes de Junio.
Best
Lawrence
IF YOU DON'T GET AN EMAIL BY FRIDAY PLEASE LET ME KNOW
+++++++++MEETING DETAILS+++++++++
Meet 6:30pm
Centro Segoviano
Alburquerque, 14
28010 Madrid
914457935
Metro: Bilbao
-Email: philomadrid@yahoo.co.uk
-Yahoo group >> philomadridgroup-subscribe@yahoogroups.co.uk <
-Old essays: www.geocities.com/philomadrid
- Blog: http://philomadrid.blogspot.com/
-Group photos: http://picasaweb.google.com/photosphilo
-My tel 606081813
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Tertulia with Ignacio and friends: Every Thursday, from 19:30 to 21h, at
Moore's Irish Pub, c/ Barceló 1 (metro Tribunal).
http://sites.google.com/site/tertuliainenglishmadrid/
from Lawrence, this Sunday PhiloMadrid meeting: Experience + important News
Dear friends,
The topic of this Sunday's meeting is. Experience, originally Can We Transfer Our Experiences.
Of course, the whole of western civilization, especially modern civilization, is based on sharing
and learning from each other's experience. Science itself is an edifice of experience and teaching
what we've learnt to the next generation.
But there is one minor problem with this whole programme. In order to learn from and make use of any
experience that is passed to us or that we pass on to others requires a common frame of mind. But
experience is basically a subjective event, we can describe what we feel but we cannot make each
other actually feel what we feel. In other words, the scope of transferring any experience is
probably very limited.
In the meantime, Diana has sent some links related to experience,
Hi Lawrence,
I hope you're enjoying your holiday. (yes thanks; today it was raining, windy and a bit cold – a
good excuse for double helping of cakes. !!)
I'm sending you some links related to Experience.
In The Oxford Companion to Philosophy there is a definition:
http://books.google.com/books?id=F9oAomj2IIwC&printsec=frontcover&dq=The+Oxford+companion+to+philosophy&hl=es&ei=4cknToK0HcSCOte3nMcK&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=experience&f=false.
You'll have to double click on Experience; it is on page 281. Once there you can enlarge the view
using the icon.
In the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy we have Rationalism vs. Empiricism
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/rationalism-empiricism/ and Phenomenology
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/phenomenology/ among many other topics related to experience.
I included
http://books.google.com/books?id=TA3R3oLdDJQC&printsec=frontcover&dq=experience+psychology&hl=en&ei=jlwkToOGHoPBswbilKn9AQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
(see first paragraph in chapter Learning from experience) just to remind us that experience is the
"stock in trade of psychology".
And finally this link of a book with a neurological perspective
http://books.google.com/books?id=sX4wQtLAJjYC&printsec=frontcover&dq=experience+cognition&hl=es&ei=O5kmTsywOtCv8QPCqfSdCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
which introduces us into the dichotomy mind versus body and inner-self versus external world (first
paragraph in page 2) and gives us a hint of how aspects our ecological and social environment enter
into the shape of our thoughts (first and second paragraphs in page 3). It's amazing!
Best regards,
Diana
Ignacio has told me that the Thursday tertulia will now be held in a different location.
Hi Lawrence,
Thank you for your e-mail, the chosen topic seems quite interesting, for sure we will have a
interesting Sunday meeting as usual.
Thank you also for giving notice in your email of the Thursday's Tertulia in English. Related to it,
just yesterday we were informed that Moores's Irish Pub, where we use to meet, is closing down next
Sunday (Economic crisis was the argued cause).
The good news is that we will continue with the Thursday's Tertulia in English from next Thursday at
Triskel Tavern (Irish Pub), c/ San Vicente Ferrer 3 (on the corner with Corredera Alta de san
Pablo), also metro Tribunal and very near to (ex)Moore's location, as always from 19:30 to 21h...
Best,
Ignacio
Finally, Carlos is still looking for speakers for next season's programme of the CLUB DEL HOMBRE
LIBRE. Details below.
CLUB DEL HOMBRE LIBRE
PROGRAMA 2011-2012
En este programa queremos proseguir con al camino de mejora y crecimiento. Seguimos con las
actividades tradicionales de Cultura, Comisiones de Trabajo y Conferencias. Le añadimos conciertos,
recitales, el programa de Filosofía y El Premio 2011-12 de Propulsor de la Libertad.
Ciclo Los Crepúsculos Culturales de Olavide:
Nueve conferencias mensuales, de Septiembre a Mayo, en las que también se ofrecen conciertos y
recitales de poesía. Cada una tiene su Inspirador, persona notable que en el pasado ha sido aclamado
y Reconocido por sus resultados en pos de la Libertad. Ejemplos propuestos:
Gandhi, Teresa de Calcuta, Froid, Einstein, Séneca, los Estoicos, el Movimiento Hippie, César,
Parménides, Platón, Pitágoras, Protágoras, Rousseau, Kant, Nietzsche, Cicerón, los Oráculos, etc.
El Ciclo abarca las 4 áreas ó niveles en que se desenvuelve el Hombre:
1. Espiritual (Providencia, Karma, Paz..)
2. Mental (Sabiduría, Entendimiento, Conocimiento…)
3. Sentimental (Amor, equilibrio…)
4. Material (Política, Económica, de Acción)
O sea, dos conferencias por cada ámbito.
Además, tenemos el Ciclo de Filosofía Pura:
Se realiza en la Facultad de Filosofía de la Universidad Complutense.
El Observatorio de La Libertad es un programa que estudia
los movimientos sociales que afectan a La Libertad, y sIrve
para pronunciarnos al respecto. Crepúsculos Culturales, Una Historia de Chamberí
-Dicha obra teatral musical, que refleja el acontecer del distrito en los últimos 700 años se
presentará.
Premio Propulsor de La Libertad 2011-2012. Se elegirá a la persona
Ó entidad que se haya destacado por la defensa de La libertad, Local, nacional ó internacionamente,
y se le entregará el Premio en el mes de Junio.
Best
Lawrence
IF YOU DON'T GET AN EMAIL BY FRIDAY PLEASE LET ME KNOW
+++++++++MEETING DETAILS+++++++++
Meet 6:30pm
Centro Segoviano
Alburquerque, 14
28010 Madrid
914457935
Metro: Bilbao
-Email: philomadrid@yahoo.co.uk
-Yahoo group >> philomadridgroup-subscribe@yahoogroups.co.uk <
-Old essays: www.geocities.com/philomadrid
- Blog: http://philomadrid.blogspot.com/
-Group photos: http://picasaweb.google.com/photosphilo
-My tel 606081813
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Tertulia with Ignacio and friends: Every Thursday, from 19:30 to 21h, at
Moore's Irish Pub, c/ Barceló 1 (metro Tribunal).
http://sites.google.com/site/tertuliainenglishmadrid/
from Lawrence, this Sunday PhiloMadrid meeting: Experience + important News
14 July 2011
from Lawrence, this Sunday PhiloMadrid meeting: Inherited behaviours
Dear friends,
This Sunday we are discussing Inherited behaviours.
The scope of this subject is of course, personal identity, on the one hand, and free will on the
other hand. If the big ticket behaviours are somehow inherited, that would leave us with a free will
whose only purpose is to deal with local and temporal actions. But are we justified in even assuming
that we have some much free will?
However, we also know that we do not necessarily inherit 100% of our parent's genes, sometimes
mutations do happen which probably gives us a degree of uniqueness. But maybe we can interpret
inherited in a slightly wider meaning. We also know that we are influenced by our environment (the
nurture part) and therefore we might inherit certain traits from the environment we've grown up in
as much as the genes we have inherited.
Take care
Lawrence
IF YOU DON'T GET AN EMAIL BY FRIDAY PLEASE LET ME KNOW
+++++++++MEETING DETAILS+++++++++
Meet 6:30pm
Centro Segoviano
Alburquerque, 14
28010 Madrid
914457935
Metro: Bilbao
-Email: philomadrid@yahoo.co.uk
-Yahoo group >> philomadridgroup-subscribe@yahoogroups.co.uk <
-Old essays: www.geocities.com/philomadrid
- Blog: http://philomadrid.blogspot.com/
-Group photos: http://picasaweb.google.com/photosphilo
-My tel 606081813
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Tertulia with Ignacio and friends: Every Thursday, from 19:30 to 21h, at
Moore's Irish Pub, c/ Barceló 1 (metro Tribunal).
http://sites.google.com/site/tertuliainenglishmadrid/
from Lawrence, this Sunday PhiloMadrid meeting: Inherited behaviours
This Sunday we are discussing Inherited behaviours.
The scope of this subject is of course, personal identity, on the one hand, and free will on the
other hand. If the big ticket behaviours are somehow inherited, that would leave us with a free will
whose only purpose is to deal with local and temporal actions. But are we justified in even assuming
that we have some much free will?
However, we also know that we do not necessarily inherit 100% of our parent's genes, sometimes
mutations do happen which probably gives us a degree of uniqueness. But maybe we can interpret
inherited in a slightly wider meaning. We also know that we are influenced by our environment (the
nurture part) and therefore we might inherit certain traits from the environment we've grown up in
as much as the genes we have inherited.
Take care
Lawrence
IF YOU DON'T GET AN EMAIL BY FRIDAY PLEASE LET ME KNOW
+++++++++MEETING DETAILS+++++++++
Meet 6:30pm
Centro Segoviano
Alburquerque, 14
28010 Madrid
914457935
Metro: Bilbao
-Email: philomadrid@yahoo.co.uk
-Yahoo group >> philomadridgroup-subscribe@yahoogroups.co.uk <
-Old essays: www.geocities.com/philomadrid
- Blog: http://philomadrid.blogspot.com/
-Group photos: http://picasaweb.google.com/photosphilo
-My tel 606081813
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Tertulia with Ignacio and friends: Every Thursday, from 19:30 to 21h, at
Moore's Irish Pub, c/ Barceló 1 (metro Tribunal).
http://sites.google.com/site/tertuliainenglishmadrid/
from Lawrence, this Sunday PhiloMadrid meeting: Inherited behaviours
08 July 2011
from Lawrence, this Sunday PhiloMadrid meeting: Suspicion
Dear friends,
This Sunday we are discussing: suspicion.
As a subject this is quite interesting because we associate doubt, speculation, belief and with a
value judgement and sense of being negative (evil-bad) or a weaker meaning of unusual, out of the
ordinary or not expected.
In the meantime, since we are not meeting in the Segoviano during August maybe it is appropriate
that we start thinking about where we are going to meet during August.
See you Sunday
Best
Lawrence
IF YOU DON'T GET AN EMAIL BY FRIDAY PLEASE LET ME KNOW
+++++++++MEETING DETAILS+++++++++
Meet 6:30pm
Centro Segoviano
Alburquerque, 14
28010 Madrid
914457935
Metro: Bilbao
-Email: philomadrid@yahoo.co.uk
-Yahoo group >> philomadridgroup-subscribe@yahoogroups.co.uk <
-Old essays: www.geocities.com/philomadrid
- Blog: http://philomadrid.blogspot.com/
-Group photos: http://picasaweb.google.com/photosphilo
-My tel 606081813
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Tertulia with Ignacio and friends: Every Thursday, from 19:30 to 21h, at
Moore's Irish Pub, c/ Barceló 1 (metro Tribunal).
http://sites.google.com/site/tertuliainenglishmadrid/
from Lawrence, this Sunday PhiloMadrid meeting: Suspicion
This Sunday we are discussing: suspicion.
As a subject this is quite interesting because we associate doubt, speculation, belief and with a
value judgement and sense of being negative (evil-bad) or a weaker meaning of unusual, out of the
ordinary or not expected.
In the meantime, since we are not meeting in the Segoviano during August maybe it is appropriate
that we start thinking about where we are going to meet during August.
See you Sunday
Best
Lawrence
IF YOU DON'T GET AN EMAIL BY FRIDAY PLEASE LET ME KNOW
+++++++++MEETING DETAILS+++++++++
Meet 6:30pm
Centro Segoviano
Alburquerque, 14
28010 Madrid
914457935
Metro: Bilbao
-Email: philomadrid@yahoo.co.uk
-Yahoo group >> philomadridgroup-subscribe@yahoogroups.co.uk <
-Old essays: www.geocities.com/philomadrid
- Blog: http://philomadrid.blogspot.com/
-Group photos: http://picasaweb.google.com/photosphilo
-My tel 606081813
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Tertulia with Ignacio and friends: Every Thursday, from 19:30 to 21h, at
Moore's Irish Pub, c/ Barceló 1 (metro Tribunal).
http://sites.google.com/site/tertuliainenglishmadrid/
from Lawrence, this Sunday PhiloMadrid meeting: Suspicion
01 July 2011
from Lawrence, this Sunday meeting: Are prisons a waste of time and money?
Dear friends,
This Sunday we are discussing: Are prisons a waste of time and money?
A rather unusual and new category of philosophical subjects. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to write
anything this time. Nevertheless, just by looking at the subject I can think of number of relevant
issues for us to discuss. And that without going into jurisprudence.
Of course, we have such issues as justice, rights and human rights, the rights of victims, the
concept of punishment and so on. But maybe whilst we will never stop crime from happening, we
probably can reduce the prison population considerably. And we can do this by giving people a reason
to behave socially.
The real question, or at the very least the starting question for me, is not whether spending money
on prisons is a waste of money, but rather is there some hidden agenda, intentional or not, with its
core principle being: it is cheaper to send people to prison for breaking the rules of society than
to invest in people so they can follow the rules of society and thus contribute to society?
See you Sunday
Best
Lawrence
IF YOU DON'T GET AN EMAIL BY FRIDAY PLEASE LET ME KNOW
+++++++++MEETING DETAILS+++++++++
Meet 6:30pm
Centro Segoviano
Alburquerque, 14
28010 Madrid
914457935
Metro: Bilbao
-Email: philomadrid@yahoo.co.uk
-Yahoo group >> philomadridgroup-subscribe@yahoogroups.co.uk <
-Old essays: www.geocities.com/philomadrid
- Blog: http://philomadrid.blogspot.com/
-Group photos: http://picasaweb.google.com/photosphilo
-My tel 606081813
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Tertulia with Ignacio and friends: Every Thursday, from 19:30 to 21h, at
Moore's Irish Pub, c/ Barceló 1 (metro Tribunal).
http://sites.google.com/site/tertuliainenglishmadrid/
from Lawrence, this Sunday meeting: Are prisons a waste of time and money?
This Sunday we are discussing: Are prisons a waste of time and money?
A rather unusual and new category of philosophical subjects. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to write
anything this time. Nevertheless, just by looking at the subject I can think of number of relevant
issues for us to discuss. And that without going into jurisprudence.
Of course, we have such issues as justice, rights and human rights, the rights of victims, the
concept of punishment and so on. But maybe whilst we will never stop crime from happening, we
probably can reduce the prison population considerably. And we can do this by giving people a reason
to behave socially.
The real question, or at the very least the starting question for me, is not whether spending money
on prisons is a waste of money, but rather is there some hidden agenda, intentional or not, with its
core principle being: it is cheaper to send people to prison for breaking the rules of society than
to invest in people so they can follow the rules of society and thus contribute to society?
See you Sunday
Best
Lawrence
IF YOU DON'T GET AN EMAIL BY FRIDAY PLEASE LET ME KNOW
+++++++++MEETING DETAILS+++++++++
Meet 6:30pm
Centro Segoviano
Alburquerque, 14
28010 Madrid
914457935
Metro: Bilbao
-Email: philomadrid@yahoo.co.uk
-Yahoo group >> philomadridgroup-subscribe@yahoogroups.co.uk <
-Old essays: www.geocities.com/philomadrid
- Blog: http://philomadrid.blogspot.com/
-Group photos: http://picasaweb.google.com/photosphilo
-My tel 606081813
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Tertulia with Ignacio and friends: Every Thursday, from 19:30 to 21h, at
Moore's Irish Pub, c/ Barceló 1 (metro Tribunal).
http://sites.google.com/site/tertuliainenglishmadrid/
from Lawrence, this Sunday meeting: Are prisons a waste of time and money?
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